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Pain is real, so are stakes: “Battlestar Galactica” producer on being asked to work for free on the web…
14 Nov
Posted by Mark Williams in General
It’s clear the stakes are sky-high, and the pain caused by the strike is quite real. For another side of what’s involved, here’s Battlestar Galactica showrunner Ron Moore, talking to writer Eric Goldman, for a piece on the IGN entertainment website.
Moore makes note of his studio, Universal, asking the Galactica cast (and therefore crew) to work “for free” for some “webisodes” for the show. Which means, then, that Universal’s owner, General Electric, was asking them to work for free. Read the piece, decide for yourself.
Battlestar Galactica Producer Talks Strike
Ron Moore on why he’s striking and how Battlestar’s final season is affected.
by Eric Goldman
US, November 7, 2007 - In the midst of the Writers Guild strike, Battlestar Galactica showrunner Ron Moore walked the picket line outside the Walt Disney Studios today, alongside a large assemblage of showrunners from other series. I spoke to him for several minutes for a candid conversation about the issues surrounding the strike and how the situation is affecting Galactica, which is currently filming its fourth and final season.
For Moore, “Fundamentally this is about the internet, and this is about whether writers get paid for material that is made for the internet or if they’re paid for material that is broadcast on the internet that was developed for TV or movies.” Moore shared a story to illustrate the scenario, saying “I had a situation last year on Battlestar Galactica where we were asked by Universal to do webisodes [Note: Moore is referring to The Resistance webisodes which ran before Season 3 premiered], which at that point were very new and ‘Oooh, webisodes! What does that mean?’ It was all very new stuff. And it was very eye opening, because the studio’s position was ‘Oh, we’re not going to pay anybody to do this. You have to do this, because you work on the show. And we’re not going to pay you to write it. We’re not going to pay the director, and we’re not going to pay the actors.’ At which point we said ‘No thanks, we won’t do it.’”

“We got in this long, protracted thing and eventually they agreed to pay everybody involved. But then, as we got deeper into it, they said ‘But we’re not going to put any credits on it. You’re not going to be credited for this work. And we can use it later, in any fashion that we want.’ At which point I said ‘Well, then we’re done and I’m not going to deliver the webisodes to you.’ And they came and they took them out of the editing room anyway — which they have every right to do. They own the material — But it was that experience that really showed me that that’s what this is all about. If there’s not an agreement with the studios about the internet, that specifically says ‘This is covered material, you have to pay us a formula - whatever that formula turns out to be - for use of the material and how it’s all done,’ the studios will simply rape and pillage.”

16 Responses
BP
November 15th, 2007 at 5:49 am
1Ron Moore says residuals are paid to Pension and Welfare for IATSE members. Since when?
tony
November 15th, 2007 at 6:55 am
2Ron Moore just proves what a greedy ignorant person he is. Webisodes are new and so to the degree they are being used here are new. The idea is to draw interest to the main item; the show, to get people to want to watch the final season and even buy the DVD’s of the rest of the show. Has Mr. More…opps sorry that Mr. Moore given thought to what profit the studio makes on a webisode (none) and has he considered the cost to create what is basically just promotional material to sell the show? Likely not, really he should be really thankful that cranking out a turd like BSG is given him some sort of financial gain and if running these webisodes helps to get people to view the show and then be lured to buy some jaded gift box of all whatever epidode he would make even more money…in the meantime his shortsighted greed and thinking everyone benefits as he does from his “work” is just sad.
Mark
November 15th, 2007 at 12:08 pm
3As ever, thanks for reading and jumping in to the fray, Tony.
I’m not sure a show with a committed fan base, like BSG, would be considered a “turd,” and as for webisodes, the same company — GE — is experiencing success, and advertising, showing regular TV espisodes (like “Heroes,” etc.) online.
I guess the question is not whether there should be perhaps reduced rates for creating experimental content — but absolutely free? Would you crew for free?
Perhaps a larger discussion might be about why Universal feels the need to shoot BSG in Vancouver (though that might change with the dollar’s recent value collapse…)
tony
November 15th, 2007 at 4:04 pm
4Mark, “turd” was intended in regards to who would remember this show lets say five or ten years from now. Artistic merit has nothing to do with if its a hit or not…Gilligan’s Island, Mr. Ed stand as some examples of that ( BTW; aren’t we all thankful Gilligan is not on five days a week anymore). In regards to internet viewing, presently its still a fraction of what is seen on “broadcast” and its still iffy as to how to reach whoever? From what I hear many writers think each time anyone sees anything on the internet someone is getting richer and they refuse to understand the process to not only produce but also establish that section-it was not free or easy. As for working for free…ah well geee heres a news flash; some people already do that understanding if it helps keep the show (and a steady paycheck coming) sure why not.
As for why Vancouver…contracts were signed and are being finished based on the past but your right the new dollar value will change that BUT have your sources told you that the Canadiens…urr I mean the Canadians….thats not right either…ok THOSE people up there…are already making plans and getting ready to “help” anyway they can, isn’t that a wonderful thought???
Rick
November 15th, 2007 at 4:16 pm
5Tony,
Are you suggesting that Mr. Moore is a “greedy ignorant person”, because he expects to get paid fairly for his work? If so, keep that in mind the next time your boss asks you to put in some overtime without compensation and you “greedily” ask to be paid for the additional hours.
And you might want to be careful throwing those “ignorant” stones. Of course those webisodes help to increase TV viewership and DVD sales, but thanks to the advertising attached to those supposedly promotional only items, companies are making a lot of money, directly from the internet airings. Far more than it costs to produce these shows. (Viacom alone projects to make $500 million in digital revenue this year! http://publications.mediapost.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=Articles.showArticleHomePage&art_aid=65044) Are you saying that the people who create the content– the very ideas– should not benefit from the increased profitability?
You complain about “his shortsighted greed and thinking everyone benefits as he does from his ‘work’ is just sad.” This makes no sense. The strike is about allowing everyone benefit for their work, not just Moore. And how exactly is he being greedy? He (and the other strikers) is just asking to be compensated for his work and to share a minute portion of the show’s success. That’s not greedy, just being fair and equitable.
As for being a “turd”, that has no bearing on the current situation.
Mark
November 15th, 2007 at 4:19 pm
6Hey, Tony! My friend, editor/writer/pop culture crit Rick Klaw, has been following the volleys in this blog, too. He tried to post this earlier, had a glitch, and sent it to me, so I repost it here:
Tony,
Are you suggesting that Mr. Moore is a “greedy ignorant person”, because he expects to get paid fairly for his work? If so, keep that in mind the next time your boss asks you to put in some overtime without compensation and you “greedily” ask to be paid for the additional hours.
And you might want to be careful throwing those “ignorant” stones. Of course those webisodes help to increase TV viewership and DVD sales, but thanks to the advertising attached to those supposedly promotional only items, companies are making a lot of money, directly from the internet airings. Far more than it costs to produce these shows. (Viacom alone projects to make $500 million in digital revenue this year!
http://publications.mediapost.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=Articles.showArticleHomePage&art_aid=65044)
Are you saying that the people who create the content– the very ideas– should not benefit from the increased profitability?
You complain about “his shortsighted greed and thinking everyone benefits as he does from his ‘work’ is just sad.” This makes no sense. The strike is about allowing everyone benefit for their work, not just Moore. And how exactly is he being greedy? He (and the other strikers) is just asking to be compensated for his work and to share a minute portion of the show’s success. That’s not greedy, just being fair and equitable.
Nathan
November 16th, 2007 at 5:16 am
7Sorry about that, Rick. Our auto-spam-filter thingy mistook your comment. Shouldn’t be a problem in the future (or, if it is, we’ll be checking for it).
tony
November 16th, 2007 at 8:13 am
8Rick, ah duh, I am suggesting the guy is greedy and ignorant…glad you caught that
and no I do not have to be careful last time I checked you were not my Mother or paying my mortgage and if your a writer on strike your part of why many cannot pay their mortgage right now.
As for putting in extra unpaid work…again well duh..many places “ask” their employees to work extra unpaid hours; stock, clean, even volenteer their weekend for whatever…most people say yes. In case you didn’t know it…the world of low budget film making everyone does the other person’s job to get the project done and ensure getting paid…sure its not ideal but many are thankful to have a job and cannot afford to dig in their heels and say (in a high prissy voice) “no I won’t do that unless I get paid”. Reality is if you won’t someone is standing behind ready to say yes……you do know that don’t you? Reality is most people are pretty well paid for what they do and most are quite thankful…also do note most do not get the residuals you (if your a writer) seem to feel your entitled to…in a sense endlessly..
Oh and your comment about the people with the ideas…well yes some do create, hire writers and add a touch here and there but for the most part writers do NOT come up with the very ideas…!!!news flash!!! that could be the producer (hence the name), director, anyone and they go out and HIRE a writer to do a JOB.., they review drafts and usually continue to inject ideas intil they are satisfied with the work they payed for.
Oh and no its doubtful I will be bring any doughnuts to any picketers
Rick
November 16th, 2007 at 11:56 am
9Tony,
No one should ever work without getting paid or adequate compensation. Unless you actually own the company (which is a real minority) or the actual product (I have written for no money before but I completely own the rights and all decisions regarding the work are mine.), workers need to be adequately compensated. Matter of fact, where I live (Texas, which is not exactly a hotbed of worker’s rights), it is illegal for an employer to ask an employee to work “off the clock.” Also, insurance will often not cover the expensives if an off-the-clock employee is hurt while performing their job. I’ve seen mangers get fired for asking their employees work off the clock. So I don’t know what “these places” are that you refer, but it sounds draconian to me.
Wow.. It is obvious from your statements about writers, you are not one. Every piece of writing is a creative endeavor, regardless if you are handed the idea or not. Do you have any concept of how difficult it is to write a working screenplay? Or create a convincing plot? Or craft believable dialog? Just because you are hired to do the job, doesn’t make it any easier or lesser of a craft. If what writers do isn’t so important, then why has Hollywood ground to a halt during the strike? Why not fire all the writers and just hire some homeless guys off the streets to write the scripts? Because it is a skill, a very specialized one, that most people do not have, nor have any inkling of how it is done.
I think you are missing the point about residuals and the writers. The writers have no problem with everyone getting residuals. They just have a very active and visual voice to contribute to this cause. The writers are very important cog in the Hollywood machine.
And no, I am not a screenwriter. I usually write essays and criticism on pop culture, but have dabbled with fiction and comics. I’ve also edited some seventeen books, which in the publishing world is akin to being a producer.
tony
November 16th, 2007 at 12:33 pm
10Ah, well in regards to working off the clock maybe you have heard of this cute little retail place called Walmart…kinda think if they can do it its likely done alot more then you seem to realize. As for going beyond what your paid to do as I said thats a common “duh” you do it because even if your not the studio owner if the trash can is full and a important client is coming and that client could bring more work and keep your paycheck coming…geee should I make every F’ing effort to help keep that client happy even if taking out the trash or re-stocking the toilet paper in the restroom is not on your job discription….hummm wonder what the answer is there?
As for residuals and everyone getting…do you really think that is going to happen? Creative endeavor…gezz this is a creative industry…whatever the writers “create” the rest of us bring to life, as you are not in the industry have you any idea how many times a feature shows up at a post studio’s doors making no sense, lame dialoge, lifeless, boring? Its the very creative talents of the post people who take these lifeless hulks and bring them to life…but they do not see any residuals…why?
The writers MAY have a point…maybe but the fact is they have created alot of ill will towards their cause with their arrogance…that alone wipes out any ra ra mentality their fellow entertainment workers might have towards them.
If they had any real leadership they would re-group and market their cause better instead the best they now can do is say Mr. Young’s comments were taken out of context…like how is that done when it was taped? Gezz you could have had the guy reading the Bible before and after he said what he did and it still would have been a serious case of both feet in his big mouth
Mark Williams
November 16th, 2007 at 3:00 pm
11You’re a union guy, right, Tony? I might tread a little carefully, if I were you, about holding up Walmart as a kind of “model workplace…”
Surely, we would all prefer to avoid benefit-less, low-paying Walmart conditions for ourselves?
tony
November 16th, 2007 at 4:03 pm
12Mark, you CAN read I am being sarcastic right? I mean no one holds Walmart up as anything but a starter job but in hard times you can find many talented, experienced Industry people working at places like it or Home Depo so in that sense; thank God its around.
As for WalMart I have only stepped foot in the place once when my car blew its transmission seal out in deepest Orange County and I had to stop every 10 miles to buy oil to fill the damm transmission and make my way home…frankly Walmart was scarey…but that said do note WalMart DOES pay benefits.
As for me being Union..please, I tried dealing with one Union once about the place I was at using non union people and when the big scarey union guy showed up he could really could care less-as long as the facility WAS union and they got their health and welfare dues payed the studio could have had slave chained to the back walls…as he told the owner; “at least your in business”…it sort of makes sense but really it was lame and add to that while many big studios are union they farm out stuff to totally non union sub contractors…but thats business and unfortunately allowed loopholes like that have made the studios realize they can circumvent union rules and in a way maybe even castrate them
AJ
November 16th, 2007 at 6:50 pm
13“cranking out a turd like BSG”
You sir, are a complete idiot. Anyone that would type those words clearly hasn’t seen the show.
I’m not really on either side of this strike issue, but anyone who calls BSG a “turd” has little to no credibility.
tony
November 17th, 2007 at 11:30 am
14AJ,
Let me guess; you think Star War themed weddings are wonderful ideas?
terry moore
November 22nd, 2007 at 11:15 am
15Hello,
I am Ron Moore’s wife, Terry Dresbach Moore. I am also a member of IATSE, local 892.
As a staunch union supporter, I was incredibly proud when my husband refused to let his crew work for free, while everyone else involved in the project was going to be paid.
Way too many of us in the creative fields agree to work for free, when the other crew members around us get paid. I see it all the time. Every department on set gets their turnaround and meal penalties, and the UPM shows up at the Wardrobe trailer door asking us to waive ours. How many art department crew work on weekends for free? All of them.
The teamsters don’t, the grips don’t, electric doesn’t. At least not on any show I have worked on for twenty five years.
I have always refused, and refused on behalf of my crew. As far as I am concerned it is one of my primary responsibilities as a department head, to protect my crew from the studios who continue to attack their compensation in every way possible.
I am proud to be married to a writer who does the same for his crew.
tony
November 23rd, 2007 at 12:13 pm
16Mrs Moore that really nice you take care of your “crew” but the big question would then be if you, me, the man on the moon all know studios and productions flaunt the rules and make people work for free then where is any union representative to step in, wave some authority and make SOMEONE think twice before a studio does make people work for free…why because they could see something rotten going on and as long as it did not concern them they take a “its not my job” attitude. When people, ALL people in this industry stop just noticing stuff like this and instead DO SOMETHING for even the over worked female intern working 18 hour days instead of just worrying about just their own crew thats the day the real people below the line will be able to take the writer’s strike seriously.
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